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		<title>Comment on Theory of the Leisure Class: Middle-Class Jobs and Responsibility Arbitrage by Insomnia, Death, and a Speeding Ticket &#124; Insomnia Simply Sucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insomnia, Death, and a Speeding Ticket &#124; Insomnia Simply Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Stuck in Idle: Odd Jobs in the Social Factory by Frank</title>
		<link>http://generationbubble.com/2010/03/08/stuck-in-idle-odd-jobs-in-the-social-factory/#comment-1096</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. The most sinister and sublime part of the current unemployment crisis is an addiction to slavery. Many people would give anything to have a job they hate just so they can earn a paycheck to propagate their enslavement through debt and more consumerism. And we go deeper down into the rabbit hole in the digital age.

Perhaps Morpheus in the Matrix said it best: &quot;You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. The most sinister and sublime part of the current unemployment crisis is an addiction to slavery. Many people would give anything to have a job they hate just so they can earn a paycheck to propagate their enslavement through debt and more consumerism. And we go deeper down into the rabbit hole in the digital age.</p>
<p>Perhaps Morpheus in the Matrix said it best: &#8220;You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Waiting for the End of the World: Politics, Finance and the Gnosis of Crisis by Nickelas</title>
		<link>http://generationbubble.com/2010/03/04/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-politics-finance-and-the-gnosis-of-crisis/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickelas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt.  However, the oldest members of Gen Y are my age, right?  Not even out of our 20&#039;s, most of us still in college.  What have we even had time to do other than fill out surveys concerning our self-conception and invent new iconographies of cool?  I shudder to think what would happen if every generation were judged solely on their attitudes about the world and themselves before they even hit 30.  For instance, how many voters responsible for the rampant deregulation of the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s or the Bush/Cheney torture regime or any number of things would be afforded the consolation of being considered more humble as adolescents than those Gen Y&#039;ers who think they&#039;re &quot;all that?&quot;  As someone presumably from Generation X, I&#039;d assume you&#039;d know how unfair it all seems.  Aren&#039;t those are the same kind of judgments leveled against Generation X in the early 90&#039;s, when that generation was around the same age.

And that, to me, is what betrays the dubious usefulness of these commentaries on the character of the coming generation--they&#039;re rather premature, aren&#039;t they?  I&#039;d rather know what our generation&#039;s effect has been on the world, and we&#039;re a long way from being able to judge that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt.  However, the oldest members of Gen Y are my age, right?  Not even out of our 20&#8217;s, most of us still in college.  What have we even had time to do other than fill out surveys concerning our self-conception and invent new iconographies of cool?  I shudder to think what would happen if every generation were judged solely on their attitudes about the world and themselves before they even hit 30.  For instance, how many voters responsible for the rampant deregulation of the 80&#8217;s and 90&#8217;s or the Bush/Cheney torture regime or any number of things would be afforded the consolation of being considered more humble as adolescents than those Gen Y&#8217;ers who think they&#8217;re &#8220;all that?&#8221;  As someone presumably from Generation X, I&#8217;d assume you&#8217;d know how unfair it all seems.  Aren&#8217;t those are the same kind of judgments leveled against Generation X in the early 90&#8217;s, when that generation was around the same age.</p>
<p>And that, to me, is what betrays the dubious usefulness of these commentaries on the character of the coming generation&#8211;they&#8217;re rather premature, aren&#8217;t they?  I&#8217;d rather know what our generation&#8217;s effect has been on the world, and we&#8217;re a long way from being able to judge that.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Waiting for the End of the World: Politics, Finance and the Gnosis of Crisis by Anton Steinpilz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton Steinpilz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nickelas -- If it&#039;s any consolation, the other GenBubchiks and me only allow ourselves to bash Generation Y as far as the studies of and reportage on this cohort reasonably permits -- and we can certainly point you to the relevant sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nickelas &#8212; If it&#8217;s any consolation, the other GenBubchiks and me only allow ourselves to bash Generation Y as far as the studies of and reportage on this cohort reasonably permits &#8212; and we can certainly point you to the relevant sources.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Waiting for the End of the World: Politics, Finance and the Gnosis of Crisis by Nickelas</title>
		<link>http://generationbubble.com/2010/03/04/waiting-for-the-end-of-the-world-politics-finance-and-the-gnosis-of-crisis/#comment-1084</link>
		<dc:creator>Nickelas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, to summarize:

&quot;How ‘bout that, huh? Kids today. Just makes you think about our country’s values. Have we lost our way? Heck, did we even have our way? Time was, everybody knew everybody else. People said hello and they meant it. Folks went to bed at a decent time, and jeans were only worn by prisoners. Someone would invite you over for coffee and you’d end up talking for eight straight days. Some people think this “modern” society’s an improvement—my question is: an improvement on what?&quot; --Cleveland Brown

These Gen Y-bashing articles always get me all riled up!  I was born in 1982!  Just 1 or 2 years earlier and *I* could be passing judgment!  Still, you guys are pretty much right, even if Denis Leary beat you to this argument by about 15 years.  

&quot;These kids today get trophies just for *participating*! What&#039;s next? The whole plot of Idiocracy?&quot;

I mean, how are we to know that this whole line of reasoning isn&#039;t something that is obviously true of all generations that grow up in affluence?  

I know, I know.  I dismiss you all as curmudgeonly at my peril.  And, to be honest, I agree with most of what you guys write.  I&#039;m just skeptical of most generational arguments.  It seems that people get older, start to really grapple with their own mortality, and begin reading the end of the world into everything that happens, as if the world ends when they die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, to summarize:</p>
<p>&#8220;How ‘bout that, huh? Kids today. Just makes you think about our country’s values. Have we lost our way? Heck, did we even have our way? Time was, everybody knew everybody else. People said hello and they meant it. Folks went to bed at a decent time, and jeans were only worn by prisoners. Someone would invite you over for coffee and you’d end up talking for eight straight days. Some people think this “modern” society’s an improvement—my question is: an improvement on what?&#8221; &#8211;Cleveland Brown</p>
<p>These Gen Y-bashing articles always get me all riled up!  I was born in 1982!  Just 1 or 2 years earlier and *I* could be passing judgment!  Still, you guys are pretty much right, even if Denis Leary beat you to this argument by about 15 years.  </p>
<p>&#8220;These kids today get trophies just for *participating*! What&#8217;s next? The whole plot of Idiocracy?&#8221;</p>
<p>I mean, how are we to know that this whole line of reasoning isn&#8217;t something that is obviously true of all generations that grow up in affluence?  </p>
<p>I know, I know.  I dismiss you all as curmudgeonly at my peril.  And, to be honest, I agree with most of what you guys write.  I&#8217;m just skeptical of most generational arguments.  It seems that people get older, start to really grapple with their own mortality, and begin reading the end of the world into everything that happens, as if the world ends when they die.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Destructive Creation: Internet Disintermediation and the Rise of Efficiency by Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(one need only read news accounts of new housing developments being plowed under because developers can find no buyers to understand this)

one need only understand the incentives to (over)build provided by government price-fixing low interest rates and offering an endless supply of cheap loans to deadbeats to *really* understand this

you genbub guys and gals are awesome at cultural commentary but terrible at basic economics. 
http://jim.com/econ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(one need only read news accounts of new housing developments being plowed under because developers can find no buyers to understand this)</p>
<p>one need only understand the incentives to (over)build provided by government price-fixing low interest rates and offering an endless supply of cheap loans to deadbeats to *really* understand this</p>
<p>you genbub guys and gals are awesome at cultural commentary but terrible at basic economics.<br />
<a href="http://jim.com/econ" rel="nofollow">http://jim.com/econ</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Millennial Tension: The Generation-Y Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by bennettabroad</title>
		<link>http://generationbubble.com/2010/02/26/millennial-tension-the-generation-y-work-ethic-and-the-spirit-of-capitalism/#comment-1065</link>
		<dc:creator>bennettabroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Very little does one see of people engaged in the drudgery necessary to keep the power on and food on the table.[...] Regardless which narrative tack a film or program takes, the emphasis is the same: Personal matters are the real business of life, and work is that thing one does — offscreen — in the downtime between soul kisses, trysts or other escapades.&quot;

While I understand part of the point here is that mass media attempts to distort or efface economic reality beneath a veneer of pop-culture bliss, I couldn&#039;t help but be disturbed by this article, portions of which seemed like they could&#039;ve been lifted straight out of the National Review. For a blog that quotes Marcuse (for example) quite often, it seems strange to be criticizing Gen-Yers for their supposed prioritization of personal life and love and happiness over &quot;the drudgery neccessary to keep food on the table.&quot; Isn&#039;t the ultimate goal to create an economic system in which we are *all* able to have both (yes) meaningful work and sufficient time for a rich and meaningful personal/inner life?

From that perspective, the Y Generation&#039;s (supposed) unwillingness to buy into a model of 60-hour a week office work and little to no time for family and personal pursuits seems praiseworthy rather than lamentable – and potentially even radical. I can see a problem in this sense of privilege when it remains on the level of individual entitlement (&quot;I deserve more than everyone else&quot;) but on a broader level the prioritization of the personal might be a refreshing reminder that &quot;work&quot; should exist towards the enrichment of human existence, rather than the reverse. Or are you seriously suggesting that we all embrace a life of necessary &quot;drudgery&quot;?

Last, the broad generalizations of the &quot;Y Generation&quot; tend to scare me off – both in a general sense (I prefer to talk about human beings as individuals rather than ants) and in that the lament over the wayward &quot;new&quot; generation is probably as old as society itself. That and the nostalgic harking towards a mythologized &quot;great&quot; generation makes the piece feel more regressive than emergant/revolutionary.

Maybe I&#039;m just saying that as, regardless of the definition, I am a Gen-Yer myself (born in 1985). But wikipedia has it that Gen Y refers to anyone born after 1974, by which standard you yourself would be a part of the very wayward youth you set out to criticize, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Very little does one see of people engaged in the drudgery necessary to keep the power on and food on the table.[...] Regardless which narrative tack a film or program takes, the emphasis is the same: Personal matters are the real business of life, and work is that thing one does — offscreen — in the downtime between soul kisses, trysts or other escapades.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I understand part of the point here is that mass media attempts to distort or efface economic reality beneath a veneer of pop-culture bliss, I couldn&#8217;t help but be disturbed by this article, portions of which seemed like they could&#8217;ve been lifted straight out of the National Review. For a blog that quotes Marcuse (for example) quite often, it seems strange to be criticizing Gen-Yers for their supposed prioritization of personal life and love and happiness over &#8220;the drudgery neccessary to keep food on the table.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t the ultimate goal to create an economic system in which we are *all* able to have both (yes) meaningful work and sufficient time for a rich and meaningful personal/inner life?</p>
<p>From that perspective, the Y Generation&#8217;s (supposed) unwillingness to buy into a model of 60-hour a week office work and little to no time for family and personal pursuits seems praiseworthy rather than lamentable – and potentially even radical. I can see a problem in this sense of privilege when it remains on the level of individual entitlement (&#8220;I deserve more than everyone else&#8221;) but on a broader level the prioritization of the personal might be a refreshing reminder that &#8220;work&#8221; should exist towards the enrichment of human existence, rather than the reverse. Or are you seriously suggesting that we all embrace a life of necessary &#8220;drudgery&#8221;?</p>
<p>Last, the broad generalizations of the &#8220;Y Generation&#8221; tend to scare me off – both in a general sense (I prefer to talk about human beings as individuals rather than ants) and in that the lament over the wayward &#8220;new&#8221; generation is probably as old as society itself. That and the nostalgic harking towards a mythologized &#8220;great&#8221; generation makes the piece feel more regressive than emergant/revolutionary.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just saying that as, regardless of the definition, I am a Gen-Yer myself (born in 1985). But wikipedia has it that Gen Y refers to anyone born after 1974, by which standard you yourself would be a part of the very wayward youth you set out to criticize, no?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ghosts in the Machine: Lonely Consumers Find Social Networks by P2P Foundation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Adrian Chan on the new paradigms of streamtime sociality</title>
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		<dc:creator>P2P Foundation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Adrian Chan on the new paradigms of streamtime sociality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is followed by a related meditation from Rob Horning (Generation Bubble blog), who wonders whether the new corporate-funded social [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Millennial Tension: The Generation-Y Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by colono</title>
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		<dc:creator>colono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think that there is something slightly leading in the question &quot;What career he&#039;d like&quot;?

In other words, the tendency that you are describing is partly formed in your own imagination already, namely &quot;career&quot;. How come you didn&#039;t ask: &quot;What would you like to do with your life, are there places you&#039;d like to visit, virtues you&#039;d like to possess, social relations you would like to establish, people you&#039;d like to help?&quot; ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think that there is something slightly leading in the question &#8220;What career he&#8217;d like&#8221;?</p>
<p>In other words, the tendency that you are describing is partly formed in your own imagination already, namely &#8220;career&#8221;. How come you didn&#8217;t ask: &#8220;What would you like to do with your life, are there places you&#8217;d like to visit, virtues you&#8217;d like to possess, social relations you would like to establish, people you&#8217;d like to help?&#8221; ??</p>
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		<title>Comment on Millennial Tension: The Generation-Y Work Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism by Nickelas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nickelas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many members of Gen-Y have been living with this reality for at least 4 years now if they haven&#039;t gone to grad school.  The wage system hardly seems alien to someone who&#039;s been a part of it since before the beginning of this new Depression.  It would be interesting to know how they actually are meeting these challenges rather than speculating about what shape this disaster might take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many members of Gen-Y have been living with this reality for at least 4 years now if they haven&#8217;t gone to grad school.  The wage system hardly seems alien to someone who&#8217;s been a part of it since before the beginning of this new Depression.  It would be interesting to know how they actually are meeting these challenges rather than speculating about what shape this disaster might take.</p>
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